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for what is does as a total package, I would still recommend it over the tern or teric for sure. Honestly, I love Shearwater, but the teric and tern just aren't in the same category as the Garmin or the Suunto. They have non existent data functions and really loose when it comes to this. They are really just shrunk down versions of the Peregrine and Perdix. So, for the money and features for somebody considering a daily that dives recreational. The Suunto is a nice alternative and saves a fair amount for sure. Suunto certainly did fall on their sword a few years ago, but has stepped it up. NOW, if they would just STOP messing with the 16c and let it be 16C. Do we really need a baby sitter? lol

Good comment

thank you for the correction

So this is one of the great misconceptions out there in terms of Altitude diving :) so lets think our way through it for a moment :) What is the weight of a cuft of water at sea level (for this we will stick to fresh water and then discuss salt water)? A: 1 Cubic Ft. = 62.41 Lbs. 1 Gallon = 8.34 Lbs. Now, what is the weight of the same volume of water at 10,000 feet of elevation? A. 1 Cubic Ft. = 62.41 Lbs. 1 Gallon = 8.34 Lbs. With this concept, the weight is unchanged. If this weight is relatively unchanged, for force it exerts is unchanged and the Partial Pressure of any gasses as we descend are unchanged. The challenge with diving at altitude, primarily, stems from the reduction in atmospheric pressure change from below the surface to above the surface of the water. We have a sudden drop in pressure that must be accounted for. Below the water the weight of the water is constant and creates an ATA of 2 at 34 FFW. BUT, above the pressure of the water, the ATA is now .711 or 10.2 PSI. Now, this is different, of course with salt water and 2 ATA in FSW is 33 due to the salinity :)

@@TeachMeToDive But if we start dive from 3000ft altitude with air isn't the PP02 0,187264 at surface? (20.9%×0.896) To reach PP02 of 0,209 (sea level) you need dive to 3ft depth? I don't want to quarrel. I just want understand :)

@@kailaurila5137 Certainly is confusing. Gas density and Partial pressure are created by the weight of the water itself. The variance that is needed in NDL times for diving at altitude is based on this. It isn't that we are diving to a deeper depth, it is to correct for the sudden reduction in atmospheric pressure experienced by the diver at surfacing. While above the surface we have a significant reduction in the atmospheric pressure (while at altitude), BUT, below the water, we have the same pressure no matter what the altutde. The weight of the water doesn't change dependent on the altitude and creates the same pressure dynamic at every altitude or lack of altitude. :) It is a rough one for sure, and it is easy to miss. Honestly, this is one that I struggled with for a long time and took it to the physics experts for clarification.

The mares Genius is a lot larger and much easier to read. I don't have a lot of experience with the Genius though. But, for the price and feature set, I would choose a Perdix 2 instead

Taiwan :)

That one is easy, The Ocean is MILES ahead and better. it has AI and you can see it underwater!

@@TeachMeToDive thank you

Suunto uses 16c with additional "Suunto" programing on top of it for "safety" To match up with other computers like Garmin or Shearwater, you have to set the GF factors more aggressively by 5%. For Shearwater I typically run 50/80 so with Suunto we run 55/85 or 55/90

Suunto uses 16c with additional "Suunto" programing on top of it for "safety" To match up with other computers like Garmin or Shearwater, you have to set the GF factors more aggressively by 5%

Thanks for the info and sharing! :)

Well, getting to Idaho would be the first step :) lol We will be here until Sept before we move to our winter diving location :) Just let us know what you are thinking :) and I sure we could do something :)

They have a surface compass at this time, but do not have it integrated into the dive functions.

@@TeachMeToDive noted on that, but when I quit the diving mode and go to the compass, the dive log can’t be saved right ?

That is a great questions and one that we hear a lot. I posed this to Garmin as well for a more detailed answer. My, simple answer is this: If you spend enough time at safe depths and your gradient is considered low enough by the algorithm, it will skip the safety stop. Garmin said this: Once it is a deco dive the algorithm will prescribe sops at 10ft increments. Many divers will choose to extend their shallow stops for safety reasons, but it is also important to communicate unambiguously what the minimum TTS and mandatory stops are prescribed by the algorithm. Adding a options safety stop between the 20 and 10ft stops is something a diver can certainly add themselves if they wish. Note that we also allow the diver to set the depth of the last stop, with many divers choosing to adjust that to 20ft. Communicating an optional stop after that could be confusing to divers after they have completed mandatory deco deeper than a typical safety stop would be.

Thank you for this :)

right. I certainly prefer metric for sure. Especially in tech calculations lol

Thank you so much

I haven't tried the Suunto in Freedive, but it is looks very similar to the Mk3i. BUT, not being an actual freediver, I wouldn't be the right person to evaluate

Great idea for location. I would be curious to try it for sure and see how close to 100% it would get.

You are absolutely correct

So, yes and no. There are some companies working on underwater GPS, but it is still a ways away. Right now though, Garmin & Suunto have an "accelerometer" available for diving. Unfortunately, none of them are super accurate or consistently accurate though.

THANK YOU for the feedback. I liked that too, but wasn't sure if anybody else did. I will add it to the next comparison.

That is awesome!!!

I have all of our computers set use gradient factors instead of pre set factors. I have a few great videos that talk about how those work to determine them for yourself :)

Thanks for your quick reply! You have so many videos on your channel 😂 which one is the video I should watch? Thanks :)

I get you completely. For what you are doing, the Suunto is a great choice!

That is exactly what we thought too

Nap measurement certainly is important:) It certainly is hard to give up the Garmin for the Suunto. The PO2 being off is certainly VERY strange and the laggy and jumpy sounds odd as well. These aren't things we have seen, I wonder if you go a bad one? It certainly happens. It is an electronic device. Just. a thought.

It is interesting that, in the manual, it states that they are proud to use the 16c but that they "add Suunto programing" on top of it. I agree though. It is their way of babysitting divers, and I am not a fan. To make the Suunto Black act fairly closely to a Perdix or Garmin at 50/85, we have to set it to 55/90.

I offer all of the classroom online to make it more convenient for the students. For XR certification, there is a pool session (or two if needed) and 6 dives required. If you are interested, I do teach a Science of Diving Course, which covers a lot of Tech, and it is 100% online and no dives :) Send me an email if you're interested :)

@@kilo1175 certainly depends on how much dive watch you need for sure. But the cool pods are hard to pass on

@@TeachMeToDive the super conservative deco algorithm really bothers me. Do you think it can be adjusted so it’s similar to the garmin?

I have one and I like it

Not really, when it comes to this category. The Shearwater Teric and Tern lack all of the surface features that these two have.

I will work on that, we do have a full head to head with the Garmin and the Apple watch already up though

Sounds like you made a good choice for you

Good to know!

That is exactly what we hoped would happen :)

Thank you so much!

Thank you very much!

I would put those concerns to rest. The Ocean is a far more durable and capable dive computer than the apple for sure. It is purpose built and you will have far less issues. The apple watch added diving to a surface watch, the Suunto accepted surface functions to a dive watch. :)

​@TeachMeToDive thank you for your kind reply. I believe and agree with your opinion. My comment is directed to Suunto software/firmware. It includes a lot of good information, but they are hide. The main screen in dive mode includes 4 information. It is impossible to have tank pressure and ceiling at the same screen, just to mention two. The ocean needs a full reorganization of the dive screens or at least new dive screens. It would be great to have all desired information in a single screen or two screens, instead of 10 pushes on the button to find a required information. Just to let you know my opinion. Congrats for your channel. 👍🏻 Best.

Take a look at this as well, at around 6:19 we go through Gradients: ua-cam.com/video/HLiMtJSMc5Q/v-deo.html

Thank you so much :)

With the conservatism, you can always choose to set a more aggressive gradient factor to compensate. We tested the Suunto Black and discovered that if we do exactly that, it comes a ton closer to other dive computers.

Glad it was helpful! It should be perfect for you!

It's super frustrating when you can't log your dives. The good thing about the Garmin Mk3i is that it's got a super generous dive memory with more than enough space to store dives for several months. So you've got lots of time to get back into service without losing your data.

@@TeachMeToDive It's frustrating that the dive log app won't even open without an LTE or wi-fi connection, that all of your data disappears from the Connect app without an LTE or wi-fi connection in a watch billed as a device that will work in places where you have neither LTE or wi-fi. Garmin's incredibly poor customer support is more frustrating. Wait times on three calls this week were 45 minutes, 20 minutes and over 2 hours. When I did get to talk with someone he admitted that he didn't know much about the watch. He said that they have a very small group of people who know the dive watch and that they are generally not available. I really regret buying these.

@@Team_399 can you send me your contact information. I spoke with Garmin directly and sent your comment to them. They responded to me in a very short time frame and asked if they could contact you directly :)

I haven't tried as of yet.

We're glad we could help you find the perfect diving computer!

unfortunately, no. The GPS portion and dive mapping is only available post dive in the ap. It is reasonably accurate and certainly interesting

Two things. 1. The Ocean provides a dive mapping of your dive from start to ending point. It is somewhat accurate. 2. With Garmin, you could pair an in-reach to your Mk2 or Mk3 and put it on your dive flag and it will pair the dive and the GPS :)